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Al Franken's Minnesota: More postelection funny business.
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Ubiquitous
2008-11-24 10:27:31 UTC
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Al Franken's campaign takes exception to our recent description of the curious
goings-on in Minnesota's Senate vote count. We're delighted to hear his
growing vote total is all routine. But who needs to worry about votes
discovered in a car when the Franken campaign is now suing in court to steal
the election?

Minnesota this week began its official statewide recount, and Mr. Franken
isn't hanging on the outcome. Instead, he's trying to conjure up enough other,
previously disqualified, ballots to overturn Mr. Coleman's 215-vote lead. The
Democrat needs to invent votes because he knows it will be tough to win a
normal recount. Minnesota uses optical scanning machines, which are far more
accurate than the punchcard paper ballots of the 2000 Florida recount. Prior
recounts in Minnesota have resulted in few vote changes.

So off to court he goes, with Mr. Franken demanding that the state canvassing
board delay certifying the initial election results. His campaign claims that
absentee votes may have been wrongly rejected by election judges. Team Franken
filed a lawsuit in Ramsey County (the state's second largest, and an area Mr.
Franken won decisively) demanding a list of these absentee voters, so that the
Democrat can contact them, get them to declare their ex post facto preference,
and, presto, he wins.

The state attorney general's office ruled against a canvassing board delay,
finding that certification was purely an administrative function and that any
question of absentee ballots ought to be left to the courts. The problem is
that at least one court has entertained this Franken ploy. Ramsey County Judge
Dale Lindman this week ordered county officials to give Mr. Franken a list of
voters who had cast rejected absentee ballots.

Put aside that these ballots have already been ruled on by trained election
judges. Put aside, too, the invasion of voter privacy. The real problem of
allowing Mr. Franken to conduct his own voter discovery operation is that this
is changing the rules after the election has been held. The gambit introduces
subjective judgment and political pressure into a voting process that is
supposed to be immune to both.

Opening up the rejected-ballot question is also a recipe for potential fraud.
When the Franken campaign filed its initial lawsuit demanding access to the
voter lists, it used as an example an 84-year-old woman in Beltrami County
whose vote was supposedly rejected because she'd had a stroke, and therefore
her signature on her absentee ballot did not match the one on file. After some
outside investigation, the Franken campaign admitted that the story was not
true, and that her ballot had been rejected for entirely different (and
legitimate) reasons.

Mr. Franken is also trying to raise public doubt about an "undervote" --
suggesting that only machine error can explain why he received 12.2 percentage
points fewer votes than did Barack Obama. But the Senate race had three
serious candidates, not two. Maybe fewer Minnesotans liked a left-wing
candidate who ran a nasty campaign. In any case, the same Democrats who
claimed Florida was "stolen" by faulty ballot machines are now trying to
discredit the optical-scanners that they have demanded -- all in order to sway
the human judges who'll rule on Mr. Franken's legal challenges.

The joker's goal is to sow enough doubt about the vote so that if he loses the
recount he can attract public support to challenge the final result in court.
This is a slap at Minnesota, which, so far at least, appears to be doing all
it can to make the recount open and transparent. Minnesota should respond by
telling Mr. Franken that even a celebrity has to play by the rules.
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It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.
Hope for the Heartless
2008-11-24 14:38:35 UTC
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So off to court he goes, with Mr. Franken demanding that the state canvassing
board delay certifying the initial election results. His campaign claims that
absentee votes may have been wrongly rejected by election judges. Team Franken
filed a lawsuit in Ramsey County (the state's second largest, and an area Mr.
Franken won decisively) demanding a list of these absentee voters, so that the
Democrat can contact them, get them to declare their ex post facto preference,
and, presto, he wins.
Bullshit. The campaign wants to examine the rejected ballots to
establish whether or not they were rejected correctly, according to the
law. If they were wrongly rejected then they are legally cast ballots
and must be counted.
Buerste
2008-11-24 16:49:34 UTC
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Post by Ubiquitous
So off to court he goes, with Mr. Franken demanding that the state canvassing
board delay certifying the initial election results. His campaign claims that
absentee votes may have been wrongly rejected by election judges. Team Franken
filed a lawsuit in Ramsey County (the state's second largest, and an area Mr.
Franken won decisively) demanding a list of these absentee voters, so
that
the
Democrat can contact them, get them to declare their ex post facto preference,
and, presto, he wins.
Bullshit. The campaign wants to examine the rejected ballots to
establish whether or not they were rejected correctly, according to the
law. If they were wrongly rejected then they are legally cast ballots
and must be counted.
Who do you want to decide if the ballots were correctly rejected?
Wayne
2008-11-25 00:26:55 UTC
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Post by Ubiquitous
So off to court he goes, with Mr. Franken demanding that the state canvassing
board delay certifying the initial election results. His campaign claims that
absentee votes may have been wrongly rejected by election judges. Team Franken
filed a lawsuit in Ramsey County (the state's second largest, and an area Mr.
Franken won decisively) demanding a list of these absentee voters, so
that
the
Democrat can contact them, get them to declare their ex post facto preference,
and, presto, he wins.
Bullshit. The campaign wants to examine the rejected ballots to
establish whether or not they were rejected correctly, according to the
law. If they were wrongly rejected then they are legally cast ballots
and must be counted.
Who do you want to decide if the ballots were correctly rejected?
Obviously, Al Gore's Florida team. A little creative vote counting makes
for fun.
Clairbear
2008-11-24 17:07:23 UTC
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Post by Ubiquitous
So off to court he goes, with Mr. Franken demanding that the state
canvassing board delay certifying the initial election results. His
campaign claims that absentee votes may have been wrongly rejected by
election judges. Team Franken
filed a lawsuit in Ramsey County (the state's second largest, and an
area Mr. Franken won decisively) demanding a list of these absentee
voters, so that the
Democrat can contact them, get them to declare their ex post facto preference,
and, presto, he wins.
Bullshit. The campaign wants to examine the rejected ballots to
establish whether or not they were rejected correctly, according to
the law. If they were wrongly rejected then they are legally cast
ballots and must be counted.
Hey I got some cheese to go with that whine of yours. But seriously do you
really want a fool serving in congress...Oh that's right Teddy K and John
Murtha are already there. Stuart Smalley make both of them seem rational
though.
Hope for the Heartless
2008-11-25 00:51:32 UTC
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So off to court he goes, with Mr. Franken demanding that the state
canvassing board delay certifying the initial election results. His
campaign claims that absentee votes may have been wrongly rejected by
election judges. Team Franken
filed a lawsuit in Ramsey County (the state's second largest, and an
area Mr. Franken won decisively) demanding a list of these absentee
voters, so that the
Democrat can contact them, get them to declare their ex post facto preference,
and, presto, he wins.
Bullshit. The campaign wants to examine the rejected ballots to
establish whether or not they were rejected correctly, according to
the law. If they were wrongly rejected then they are legally cast
ballots and must be counted.
Hey I got some cheese to go with that whine of yours. But seriously do you
really want a fool serving in congress...Oh that's right Teddy K and John
Murtha are already there. Stuart Smalley make both of them seem rational
though.
OK, it's established. You don't want all the votes counted because it
might mean that Al Franken would win. It has nothing to do with the
integrity of the process or the will of the voters.
Clairbear
2008-11-25 02:12:57 UTC
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Post by Hope for the Heartless
Post by Ubiquitous
So off to court he goes, with Mr. Franken demanding that the state
canvassing board delay certifying the initial election results.
His campaign claims that absentee votes may have been wrongly
rejected by election judges. Team Franken
filed a lawsuit in Ramsey County (the state's second largest, and
an area Mr. Franken won decisively) demanding a list of these
absentee voters, so that the
Democrat can contact them, get them to declare their ex post facto preference,
and, presto, he wins.
Bullshit. The campaign wants to examine the rejected ballots to
establish whether or not they were rejected correctly, according to
the law. If they were wrongly rejected then they are legally cast
ballots and must be counted.
Hey I got some cheese to go with that whine of yours. But seriously
do you really want a fool serving in congress...Oh that's right Teddy
K and John Murtha are already there. Stuart Smalley make both of
them seem rational though.
OK, it's established. You don't want all the votes counted because it
might mean that Al Franken would win. It has nothing to do with the
integrity of the process or the will of the voters.
Boy you are way out there on the end of the Illogic branch are'nt you?
Actually if all the votes a properly counted I doudt that Stuart Smalley
would win. and if some how he did manage to steal the election it would be
the biggest miscarriage in the history of Minnesota.

Clairbear
2008-11-24 17:04:17 UTC
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Post by Ubiquitous
Al Franken's campaign takes exception to our recent description of the
curious goings-on in Minnesota's Senate vote count. We're delighted to
hear his growing vote total is all routine. But who needs to worry
about votes discovered in a car when the Franken campaign is now suing
in court to steal the election?
Minnesota this week began its official statewide recount, and Mr.
Franken isn't hanging on the outcome. Instead, he's trying to conjure
up enough other, previously disqualified, ballots to overturn Mr.
Coleman's 215-vote lead. The Democrat needs to invent votes because he
knows it will be tough to win a normal recount. Minnesota uses optical
scanning machines, which are far more accurate than the punchcard
paper ballots of the 2000 Florida recount. Prior recounts in Minnesota
have resulted in few vote changes.
So off to court he goes, with Mr. Franken demanding that the state
canvassing board delay certifying the initial election results. His
campaign claims that absentee votes may have been wrongly rejected by
election judges. Team Franken filed a lawsuit in Ramsey County (the
state's second largest, and an area Mr. Franken won decisively)
demanding a list of these absentee voters, so that the Democrat can
contact them, get them to declare their ex post facto preference, and,
presto, he wins.
The state attorney general's office ruled against a canvassing board
delay, finding that certification was purely an administrative
function and that any question of absentee ballots ought to be left to
the courts. The problem is that at least one court has entertained
this Franken ploy. Ramsey County Judge Dale Lindman this week ordered
county officials to give Mr. Franken a list of voters who had cast
rejected absentee ballots.
Put aside that these ballots have already been ruled on by trained
election judges. Put aside, too, the invasion of voter privacy. The
real problem of allowing Mr. Franken to conduct his own voter
discovery operation is that this is changing the rules after the
election has been held. The gambit introduces subjective judgment and
political pressure into a voting process that is supposed to be immune
to both.
Opening up the rejected-ballot question is also a recipe for potential
fraud. When the Franken campaign filed its initial lawsuit demanding
access to the voter lists, it used as an example an 84-year-old woman
in Beltrami County whose vote was supposedly rejected because she'd
had a stroke, and therefore her signature on her absentee ballot did
not match the one on file. After some outside investigation, the
Franken campaign admitted that the story was not true, and that her
ballot had been rejected for entirely different (and legitimate)
reasons.
Mr. Franken is also trying to raise public doubt about an "undervote"
-- suggesting that only machine error can explain why he received 12.2
percentage points fewer votes than did Barack Obama. But the Senate
race had three serious candidates, not two. Maybe fewer Minnesotans
liked a left-wing candidate who ran a nasty campaign. In any case, the
same Democrats who claimed Florida was "stolen" by faulty ballot
machines are now trying to discredit the optical-scanners that they
have demanded -- all in order to sway the human judges who'll rule on
Mr. Franken's legal challenges.
The joker's goal is to sow enough doubt about the vote so that if he
loses the recount he can attract public support to challenge the final
result in court. This is a slap at Minnesota, which, so far at least,
appears to be doing all it can to make the recount open and
transparent. Minnesota should respond by telling Mr. Franken that even
a celebrity has to play by the rules.
The real shame of it is that there are that many dumbasses who would
vote for a complete fool like Mr. Stuart Smalley in the first place. I
wonder ho many just voted straight dem. Voting a straight party is the
lazy man's way to vote. If you are going to vote consider the candidates
for all offices, Just beacuse I happened to vote for Mccain does not
mean I rubberstamped all the republicans. I actully diD vote for 2 local
dems in the Pa state house. It is to bad some of use vote party rather
than the man.
I can respect that some supports a particular candidate as they are the
ones who are sent to do our bidding(at least in theory), But what hae
either party ever done for anyone
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