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Mischief in Minnesota? Al Franken's recount isn't funny.
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Ubiquitous
2008-11-14 12:28:36 UTC
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You'd think Democrats would be content with last week's electoral rout. But
judging from the odd doings in Minnesota, some in their party wouldn't mind
adding to their jackpot by stealing a Senate seat for left-wing joker Al
Franken.

When Minnesotans woke up last Wednesday, Republican Senator Norm Coleman led
Mr. Franken by 725 votes. By that evening, he was ahead by only 477. As of
yesterday, Mr. Coleman's margin stood at 206. This lopsided bleeding of
Republican votes is passing strange considering that the official recount
hasn't even begun.

The vanishing Coleman vote came during a week in which election officials
are obliged to double-check their initial results. Minnesota is required to
do these audits, and it isn't unusual for officials to report that they
transposed a number here or there. In a normal audit, these mistakes could
be expected to cut both ways. Instead, nearly every "fix" has gone for Mr.
Franken, in some cases under strange circumstances.

For example, there was Friday night's announcement by Minneapolis's director
of elections that she'd forgotten to count 32 absentee ballots in her car.
The Coleman campaign scrambled to get a county judge to halt the counting of
these absentees, since it was impossible to prove their integrity 72 hours
after the polls closed. The judge refused on grounds that she lacked
jurisdiction.

Up in Two Harbors, another liberal outpost, Mr. Franken picked up an
additional 246 votes. In Partridge Township, he racked up another 100.
Election officials in both places claim they initially miscommunicated the
numbers. Odd, because in the Two Harbors precinct, none of the other
contests recorded any changes in their vote totals.

According to conservative statistician John Lott, Mr. Franken's gains so far
are 2.5 times the corrections made for Barack Obama in the state, and nearly
three times the gains for Democrats across Minnesota Congressional races.
Mr. Lott notes that Mr. Franken's "new" votes equal more than all the
changes for all the precincts in the entire state for the Presidential,
Congressional and statehouse races combined (482 votes).

This entire process is being overseen by Democratic Secretary of State Mark
Ritchie, who isn't exactly a nonpartisan observer. One of Mr. Ritchie's
financial supporters during his 2006 run for office was a 527 group called
the Secretary of State Project, which was co-founded by James Rucker, who
came from MoveOn.org. The group says it is devoted to putting Democrats in
jobs where they can "protect elections."

Mr. Ritchie is also an ally of the Association of Community Organizations
for Reform Now, or Acorn, of fraudulent voter-registration fame. That
relationship might explain why prior to the election Mr. Ritchie waved off
evidence of thousands of irregularities on Minnesota voter rolls, claiming
that accusations of fraud were nothing more than "desperateness" from
Republicans.

Mr. Franken and fellow Democrats are already waging a full-scale public
pressure campaign to help turn the recount their way. That includes a push
to turn what should be a straightforward count of existing legal ballots
into a complete do-over -- mau-mauing election officials into accepting
tossed ballots. The Franken campaign recently showed up before the Hennepin
County canvassing board, demanding that its liberal members count 461
previously rejected ballots. To the board's credit, they unanimously voted
no.

The Franken campaign has also been wrapping itself around Barack Obama's
popularity to increase its recount potential. Minnesota has a voter intent
law, which means that election officials can take a second look at ambiguous
ballots. Mr. Franken's people are already arguing that a vote for Mr. Obama
certainly indicated a vote for Mr. Franken. This can't possibly be true,
however, because nearly every campaign poll showed Mr. Franken lagging Mr.
Obama by five to 15 percentage points -- and on Election Day he trailed by
12.2%. Mr. Franken ran a nasty, polarizing campaign, and in any case he was
part of a three-man contest.

The Coleman team is demanding the tapes from the voting machines on election
night, and that's the least Mr. Ritchie can do. The Secretary of State
should also investigate miraculous discoveries like the "forgotten" 32 car
ballots. He needs to show voters, the press and the Coleman team that he's
running a transparent process that focuses on previously counted votes,
rather than changing the rules after the election is over.

With their party only three Senate seats from the 60 needed to break a
filibuster (and two still not decided), Democrats have a political incentive
to cut corners to steal a seat if they can get away with it. Mr. Franken and
his left-wing allies also know that if Mr. Franken couldn't win election in
this fabulous Democratic year, then the not-so-funnyman never will. If
Minnesota wants to retain its reputation as a state with clean elections, it
needs to run an honest recount.
--
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.
Lubow
2008-11-14 14:26:12 UTC
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The vanishing Coleman vote came during a week in which election officials are
obliged to double-check their initial results.
It's easy to explain the vanishing Coleman vote. Just look at Coleman's actions
after the election.

Coleman asked Franken to forego an audit and a recount even though the
difference was around 700 votes out of a couple of million votes. Why would
Coleman ask to forego the recount unless he knew the results were fraudulent?

Sounds to me that Coleman had something to hide. Probably about a thousand
things to hide.
s***@msn.com
2008-11-16 00:55:15 UTC
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:26:12 -0500, "Lubow"
Post by Lubow
The vanishing Coleman vote came during a week in which election officials are
obliged to double-check their initial results.
It's easy to explain the vanishing Coleman vote. Just look at Coleman's actions
after the election.
Coleman asked Franken to forego an audit and a recount even though the
difference was around 700 votes out of a couple of million votes. Why would
Coleman ask to forego the recount unless he knew the results were fraudulent?
Sounds to me that Coleman had something to hide. Probably about a thousand
things to hide.
of course he did.
he just tried the all too familiar, tried-n-true repub methods of
election stealing, only 4 years too late. people have wised up and it
just ain't gonna work this time.

just look at what's going on in Alaska...
evanmarc
2008-11-25 00:06:40 UTC
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The vanishing Coleman vote came during a week in which election officials are
obliged to double-check their initial results.
It's easy to explain the vanishing Coleman vote.  Just look at Coleman's actions
after the election.
Coleman asked Franken to forego an audit and a recount even though the
difference was around 700 votes out of a couple of million votes.  Why would
Coleman ask to forego the recount unless he knew the results were fraudulent?
Sounds to me that Coleman had something to hide.  Probably about a thousand
things to hide.
I'm not going to argue on the recount, but I want to look at your
logic here. By stating that Coleman didn't want the recount proves he
"has something to hide", doesn't make sense. Where is the evidence?
Just because Coleman doesn't want the recount doesn't mean he is
cheating the system.
Just saying that Franken wants to do a recount proves he's cooked the
books.

Motivation doesn't prove guilt. Franken feels the margin in close
enough to fight for; Coleman feels like the voters made the choice
November 4th, and he is the winner, quit dragging your feet and lets
end this now. I can't blame Franken (and I want him to lose), and I
can't blame Coleman either. But that doesn't mean that either one is
corrupt.

Buerste
2008-11-14 14:49:43 UTC
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Post by Ubiquitous
You'd think Democrats would be content with last week's electoral rout.
But judging from the odd doings in Minnesota, some in their party wouldn't
mind adding to their jackpot by stealing a Senate seat for left-wing joker
Al Franken.
When Minnesotans woke up last Wednesday, Republican Senator Norm Coleman
led Mr. Franken by 725 votes. By that evening, he was ahead by only 477.
As of yesterday, Mr. Coleman's margin stood at 206. This lopsided bleeding
of Republican votes is passing strange considering that the official
recount hasn't even begun.
The vanishing Coleman vote came during a week in which election officials
are obliged to double-check their initial results. Minnesota is required
to do these audits, and it isn't unusual for officials to report that they
transposed a number here or there. In a normal audit, these mistakes could
be expected to cut both ways. Instead, nearly every "fix" has gone for Mr.
Franken, in some cases under strange circumstances.
For example, there was Friday night's announcement by Minneapolis's
director of elections that she'd forgotten to count 32 absentee ballots in
her car. The Coleman campaign scrambled to get a county judge to halt the
counting of these absentees, since it was impossible to prove their
integrity 72 hours after the polls closed. The judge refused on grounds
that she lacked jurisdiction.
Up in Two Harbors, another liberal outpost, Mr. Franken picked up an
additional 246 votes. In Partridge Township, he racked up another 100.
Election officials in both places claim they initially miscommunicated the
numbers. Odd, because in the Two Harbors precinct, none of the other
contests recorded any changes in their vote totals.
According to conservative statistician John Lott, Mr. Franken's gains so
far are 2.5 times the corrections made for Barack Obama in the state, and
nearly three times the gains for Democrats across Minnesota Congressional
races. Mr. Lott notes that Mr. Franken's "new" votes equal more than all
the changes for all the precincts in the entire state for the
Presidential, Congressional and statehouse races combined (482 votes).
This entire process is being overseen by Democratic Secretary of State
Mark Ritchie, who isn't exactly a nonpartisan observer. One of Mr.
Ritchie's financial supporters during his 2006 run for office was a 527
group called the Secretary of State Project, which was co-founded by James
Rucker, who came from MoveOn.org. The group says it is devoted to putting
Democrats in jobs where they can "protect elections."
Mr. Ritchie is also an ally of the Association of Community Organizations
for Reform Now, or Acorn, of fraudulent voter-registration fame. That
relationship might explain why prior to the election Mr. Ritchie waved off
evidence of thousands of irregularities on Minnesota voter rolls, claiming
that accusations of fraud were nothing more than "desperateness" from
Republicans.
Mr. Franken and fellow Democrats are already waging a full-scale public
pressure campaign to help turn the recount their way. That includes a push
to turn what should be a straightforward count of existing legal ballots
into a complete do-over -- mau-mauing election officials into accepting
tossed ballots. The Franken campaign recently showed up before the
Hennepin County canvassing board, demanding that its liberal members count
461 previously rejected ballots. To the board's credit, they unanimously
voted no.
The Franken campaign has also been wrapping itself around Barack Obama's
popularity to increase its recount potential. Minnesota has a voter intent
law, which means that election officials can take a second look at
ambiguous ballots. Mr. Franken's people are already arguing that a vote
for Mr. Obama certainly indicated a vote for Mr. Franken. This can't
possibly be true, however, because nearly every campaign poll showed Mr.
Franken lagging Mr. Obama by five to 15 percentage points -- and on
Election Day he trailed by 12.2%. Mr. Franken ran a nasty, polarizing
campaign, and in any case he was part of a three-man contest.
The Coleman team is demanding the tapes from the voting machines on
election night, and that's the least Mr. Ritchie can do. The Secretary of
State should also investigate miraculous discoveries like the "forgotten"
32 car ballots. He needs to show voters, the press and the Coleman team
that he's running a transparent process that focuses on previously counted
votes, rather than changing the rules after the election is over.
With their party only three Senate seats from the 60 needed to break a
filibuster (and two still not decided), Democrats have a political
incentive to cut corners to steal a seat if they can get away with it. Mr.
Franken and his left-wing allies also know that if Mr. Franken couldn't
win election in this fabulous Democratic year, then the not-so-funnyman
never will. If Minnesota wants to retain its reputation as a state with
clean elections, it needs to run an honest recount.
--
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.
The end ALWAYS justifies the means...if you're a Democrat!
A
2008-11-14 15:59:26 UTC
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Post by Ubiquitous
You'd think Democrats would be content with last week's electoral rout.
But judging from the odd doings in Minnesota, some in their party wouldn't
mind adding to their jackpot by stealing a Senate seat for left-wing joker
Al Franken.
When Minnesotans woke up last Wednesday, Republican Senator Norm Coleman
led Mr. Franken by 725 votes. By that evening, he was ahead by only 477.
As of yesterday, Mr. Coleman's margin stood at 206. This lopsided bleeding
of Republican votes is passing strange considering that the official
recount hasn't even begun.
The vanishing Coleman vote came during a week in which election officials
are obliged to double-check their initial results. Minnesota is required
to do these audits, and it isn't unusual for officials to report that they
transposed a number here or there. In a normal audit, these mistakes could
be expected to cut both ways. Instead, nearly every "fix" has gone for Mr.
Franken, in some cases under strange circumstances.
For example, there was Friday night's announcement by Minneapolis's
director of elections that she'd forgotten to count 32 absentee ballots in
her car. The Coleman campaign scrambled to get a county judge to halt the
counting of these absentees, since it was impossible to prove their
integrity 72 hours after the polls closed. The judge refused on grounds
that she lacked jurisdiction.
Up in Two Harbors, another liberal outpost, Mr. Franken picked up an
additional 246 votes. In Partridge Township, he racked up another 100.
Election officials in both places claim they initially miscommunicated the
numbers. Odd, because in the Two Harbors precinct, none of the other
contests recorded any changes in their vote totals.
According to conservative statistician John Lott, Mr. Franken's gains so
far are 2.5 times the corrections made for Barack Obama in the state, and
nearly three times the gains for Democrats across Minnesota Congressional
races. Mr. Lott notes that Mr. Franken's "new" votes equal more than all
the changes for all the precincts in the entire state for the
Presidential, Congressional and statehouse races combined (482 votes).
This entire process is being overseen by Democratic Secretary of State
Mark Ritchie, who isn't exactly a nonpartisan observer. One of Mr.
Ritchie's financial supporters during his 2006 run for office was a 527
group called the Secretary of State Project, which was co-founded by James
Rucker, who came from MoveOn.org. The group says it is devoted to putting
Democrats in jobs where they can "protect elections."
Mr. Ritchie is also an ally of the Association of Community Organizations
for Reform Now, or Acorn, of fraudulent voter-registration fame. That
relationship might explain why prior to the election Mr. Ritchie waved off
evidence of thousands of irregularities on Minnesota voter rolls, claiming
that accusations of fraud were nothing more than "desperateness" from
Republicans.
Mr. Franken and fellow Democrats are already waging a full-scale public
pressure campaign to help turn the recount their way. That includes a push
to turn what should be a straightforward count of existing legal ballots
into a complete do-over -- mau-mauing election officials into accepting
tossed ballots. The Franken campaign recently showed up before the
Hennepin County canvassing board, demanding that its liberal members count
461 previously rejected ballots. To the board's credit, they unanimously
voted no.
The Franken campaign has also been wrapping itself around Barack Obama's
popularity to increase its recount potential. Minnesota has a voter intent
law, which means that election officials can take a second look at
ambiguous ballots. Mr. Franken's people are already arguing that a vote
for Mr. Obama certainly indicated a vote for Mr. Franken. This can't
possibly be true, however, because nearly every campaign poll showed Mr.
Franken lagging Mr. Obama by five to 15 percentage points -- and on
Election Day he trailed by 12.2%. Mr. Franken ran a nasty, polarizing
campaign, and in any case he was part of a three-man contest.
The Coleman team is demanding the tapes from the voting machines on
election night, and that's the least Mr. Ritchie can do. The Secretary of
State should also investigate miraculous discoveries like the "forgotten"
32 car ballots. He needs to show voters, the press and the Coleman team
that he's running a transparent process that focuses on previously counted
votes, rather than changing the rules after the election is over.
With their party only three Senate seats from the 60 needed to break a
filibuster (and two still not decided), Democrats have a political
incentive to cut corners to steal a seat if they can get away with it. Mr.
Franken and his left-wing allies also know that if Mr. Franken couldn't
win election in this fabulous Democratic year, then the not-so-funnyman
never will. If Minnesota wants to retain its reputation as a state with
clean elections, it needs to run an honest recount.
--
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.
If *this* is a "victory" I'd hate to see what a "defeat" looks
like!
Uh, I guess I have to admit I *did* see one: the Vietnam
quagmire, plus the old Korean War quagmire that at least was shorter
duration but killed more U.S. soldiers.
This Iraq War is now longer than any other war in U.S. history
[over 5 1/2 yrs.], but the Revolutionary War (a true victory), and Vietnam
(an utter defeat by guerilla warriors, precisely the same way as the U.S.
did to the British in 1775-83); not counting that other "little" war in
Afghanistan [7 yrs.].
BTW, I'm no "Left-ish" guy overall.
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